{"id":78,"date":"2025-12-14T13:08:09","date_gmt":"2025-12-14T13:08:09","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/borovik.net\/selecta\/?p=78"},"modified":"2025-12-14T13:08:09","modified_gmt":"2025-12-14T13:08:09","slug":"do-mathematicians-feel-embarrassed-when-a-conjecture-they-claim-is-disproved-by-counter-example","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/borovik.net\/selecta\/2025\/12\/14\/do-mathematicians-feel-embarrassed-when-a-conjecture-they-claim-is-disproved-by-counter-example\/","title":{"rendered":"Do mathematicians feel embarrassed when a conjecture they claim is disproved by counter-example?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>My answer to a question on Quora:<\/p>\n<div class=\"q-click-wrapper c1nud10e qu-display--block qu-tapHighlight--white qu-cursor--pointer qu-hover--textDecoration--underline\" tabindex=\"0\">\n<div class=\"q-flex qu-flexDirection--row\">\n<div class=\"q-inline qu-flexWrap--wrap\">\n<blockquote>\n<div class=\"q-text puppeteer_test_question_title\"><span class=\"q-box qu-userSelect--text\">Do mathematicians feel embarrassed when a conjecture they claim is disproved by counter-example?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"q-text qu-display--block qu-wordBreak--break-word qu-textAlign--start\">I do not remember seeing a mathematicians who was embarrassed by their conjectures disproved.<\/p>\n<p class=\"q-text qu-display--block qu-wordBreak--break-word qu-textAlign--start\">Why? Because making conjectures and refuting them is a normal cycle of mathematics. I think 90% of conjectures die on the same writing desk where they were born, being killed by the same mathematicians who formulated them. In mathematics, it is a daily routine.\u00a0Refutations\u00a0are as important as proofs. There is a famous book about the role of refutations in mathematics,\u00a0<a class=\"q-box qu-cursor--pointer qu-hover--textDecoration--underline b2c1r2a puppeteer_test_link\" title=\"en.wikipedia.org\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Imre_Lakatos\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\">Imre Lakatos<\/a>\u2019\u00a0<a class=\"q-box qu-cursor--pointer qu-hover--textDecoration--underline b2c1r2a puppeteer_test_link\" title=\"en.wikipedia.org\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Proofs_and_Refutations\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\">Proofs and Refutations<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p class=\"q-text qu-display--block qu-wordBreak--break-word qu-textAlign--start\">And the famous\u00a0<a class=\"q-box qu-cursor--pointer qu-hover--textDecoration--underline b2c1r2a puppeteer_test_link\" title=\"en.wikipedia.org\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Lewis_Carroll\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\">Lewis Carroll<\/a>\u2019s lines in\u00a0<a class=\"q-box qu-cursor--pointer qu-hover--textDecoration--underline b2c1r2a puppeteer_test_link\" title=\"en.wikipedia.org\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Through_the_Looking-Glass\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\">Through the Looking-Glass\u00a0<\/a>capture the spirit:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"q-relative qu-color--gray\">\n<p class=\"q-text qu-display--block qu-wordBreak--break-word qu-textAlign--start\">&#8220;I can&#8217;t believe that!&#8221; said Alice.<br \/>\n&#8220;Can&#8217;t you?&#8221; the Queen said in a pitying tone. &#8220;Try again: draw a long breath, and shut your eyes.&#8221;<br \/>\nAlice laughed. &#8220;There&#8217;s no use trying,&#8221; she said: &#8220;one\u00a0can&#8217;t\u00a0believe impossible things.&#8221;<br \/>\n&#8220;I daresay you haven&#8217;t had much practice,&#8221; said the Queen. &#8220;When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I&#8217;ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.&#8221;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"q-text qu-display--block qu-wordBreak--break-word qu-textAlign--start\">Proofs and refutations co-exist in the most natural way. Mathematical problems are conjectures. To solve a problem means to prove this conjecture or refute it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"q-text qu-display--block qu-wordBreak--break-word qu-textAlign--start\">Proofs are frequently done by constructing, in parallel, a counter-example: when a mathematician identifies obstacles for a proof, he\/she may wish to try to use them to construct a counterexample; when this attempt at refutation encounters its own difficulties, a mathematician may try to isolate these difficulties and understand their nature &#8211; for use in the proof. In this zig-zag movement the aims \u2014 to prove a conjecture and refute it \u2014 alternate. In a happy outcome , the process converges on a definite answer: either proof or refutation.<\/p>\n<p class=\"q-text qu-display--block qu-wordBreak--break-word qu-textAlign--start\">But, if you look back at that zig-zag prowl in search of a kill, you may say that\u00a0half of the time the mathematician believed impossible. Even worse, it is like lions in hunt: ten chases result in one kill; a mathematician normally solves about one problem out of ten that he or she tries.<\/p>\n<p class=\"q-text qu-display--block qu-wordBreak--break-word qu-textAlign--start\">There is one extreme case of the proof\/refutation balance: the original proof of the\u00a0<a class=\"q-box qu-cursor--pointer qu-hover--textDecoration--underline b2c1r2a puppeteer_test_link\" title=\"en.wikipedia.org\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Classification_of_finite_simple_groups\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\">Classification of finite simple groups<\/a>. I quote Wikipedia:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"q-relative qu-color--gray\">\n<p class=\"q-text qu-display--block qu-wordBreak--break-word qu-textAlign--start\">The proof consists of tens of thousands of pages in several hundred journal articles written by about 100 authors, published mostly between 1955 and 2004.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"q-text qu-display--block qu-wordBreak--break-word qu-textAlign--start\">As a rule, almost each of these \u201cseveral hundred journal articles\u201d\u00a0contains a proof of a particular theorem, a special case or an intermediate step of the \u201cglobal\u201d statement. Since all that is about finite objects, proofs frequently use mathematical induction in a specific form: proof of\u00a0non-existence of a minimal counterexample\u00a0to the theorem. As a result, it makes thousands of pages of arguments about non-existent objects. At a first glance, it gives an answer to another question on Quora:\u00a0<a class=\"q-box qu-cursor--pointer qu-hover--textDecoration--underline b2c1r2a puppeteer_test_link\" title=\"www.quora.com\" href=\"https:\/\/www.quora.com\/What-are-some-aspects-of-mathematics-that-are-nonsense\" target=\"_top\">What are some aspects of mathematics that are nonsense?<\/a>\u00a0But these arguments about eventually non-existent minimal counterexamples are\u00a0not nonsense\u00a0\u2014 for example, they can be re-used in proving theorems in other branches of group theory.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>My answer to a question on Quora: Do mathematicians feel embarrassed when a conjecture they claim is disproved by counter-example? I do not remember seeing a mathematicians who was embarrassed by their conjectures disproved. Why? Because making conjectures and refuting them is a normal cycle of mathematics. 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